C. Delgado:         But she says, okay, so let me start by saying that pedagogy is a mode of thinking that takes, that is interested in education, in thinking education.

S. Calaprice:       [in Italian]

C. Delgado:         It's also a way more than a mode of thinking, is a knowledge, a type of knowledge that thinks education. And when we think about what is pedagogy, we must ask, what is the purpose of pedagogy?

S. Calaprice:       [in Italian]

C. Delgado:         and I could say, you know, as a starting point that the purpose is to help subjectivities, subjects, humans, children, and not only children to live well within the relations and the context in which they exist.

S. Calaprice:       [in Italian]

C. Delgado:         So for example, and for Silvana, I can tell you it's very important to make a distinction between psychology and pedagogy because also what the history of education with, you know, always relying on psychology. So she says, for example, she wants to give you an example. What is it that psychology does?

S. Calaprice:       [in Italian]

C. Delgado:         Psychologists studies the behaviors of each human subject.

S. Calaprice:       [in Italian]

C. Delgado:         Why, let's say, a child has certain behaviors according to certain moments or certain stages in their development?

S. Calaprice:       [in Italian]

C. Delgado:         or why a child might be having a pathology and how to intervene in that.

S. Calaprice:       [in Italian]

C. Delgado:         For pedagogy, this is not the case.

S. Calaprice:       [in Italian]

C. Delgado:         Pedagogy knows what is the the situation with this subject, with the human, the child, knows what's happening, but it's not interested just in understanding or knowing or intervening in their behaviors, but is interested in creating trajectories in creating processes...

S. Calaprice:       [in Italian]

C. Delgado:         Pedagogy is interested in creating processes and trajectories that are educational. And this means that are processes that bring something into the life of the subject, that is not just about intervening or fixing behaviors, but is about creating a kind of transformation, if you want. That's the best way I can translate. My translation is not faithful. I'm trying to do the best.

S. Calaprice:       [in Italian]

C. Delgado:         She says psychology thinks about the subject, of the humans, through the behaviors and makes difference based among those behaviors, the types of behaviors. Pedagogy is not interested in that.

S. Calaprice:       [in Italian]

C. Delgado:         Pedagogy, yes, keeps that in mind. But what interests pedagogy is that relationship between the child, the subject and the context and what kind of life is possible, what kind of life emerges there (of this question of living well). What I want to tell you also, just to add, because I have been with the Silvana in these days. When she called, when she was telling us that pedagogy is a way of knowing, she thinks that because for her pedagogy is, I will say, most Europeans, is a social science. I just wanted to do that connection, which is a connection that here, in BC, has, you know, brought lots of questions and, and yes, excitement to people.

S. Calaprice:       [in Italian]

C. Delgado:         She says also that she would like to add that, as a social science, it is not only a science of education, a psychology interested in application. That is not what pedagogy is. It's not interested in applying anything, because it's a science that is what she calls "theoretical practical"; in that constant relationship between theory and practice. She says that in a liquid society, the education that we need to start thinking is the education that gives us the abilities to encounter uncertainties. Because she said, and she wants to give you an example, before when she was a little child, her mom knew exactly what to do and what to tell her. She says, today with these uncertain futures, with this futurity that we have, we can't go about so clearly, so definitively. And to do so, pedagogy is a way of knowing that is interdisciplinary, multidisciplinary, because it's in constant dialogue and conversation with other disciplines: philosophy, anthropology, sociology, psychology - but the way that is in dialogue is always knowing that these other disciplines are not the disciplines of education. That that is what pedagogy does.